Proposed Edge: Talisman

[High Command]

Talisman
Requirements: Veteran, Arcane Background (Any but Weird Science), Smarts d8+, Repair d8+, Arcane Skill d8+, Knowledge (Arcane) d6+, Knowledge (Artisan) d6+
Making minor enchanted items is a time honored tradition of experienced magic users in the Palladium World and Rifts Earth. These minor magic items can handle nearly any situation. Once per game session, a Talisman crafter can create a minor magic item, or talisman. The talisman functions just like a Weird Science device, and uses any power available to the crafter (though this is still subject to Rank restrictions). It has half the crafter’s PPE, and once these are used up, the talisman burns out and does not recharge. The crafter must have access to some parts and a reasonable amount of time (GM’s call, but at least 1d20 minutes) to create the talisman.

• Note: A crafting knowledge would be something like Smithing, Gemology, Sculpting, or Woodcarving

New Skill:
Knowledge (Artisan) (Sm):

• The general knowledge of, and competency with, all forms of the traditional crafting arts. From making chainmail to setting and cutting gems, to working with clay to sculpt items (and making metal and ceramic forms of those sculpts). This is generally used by traditional craftsmen and artisans.

Out with the Old

Talisman
Requirements: Veteran, Arcane Background (Any but Weird Science), Smarts d8+, Repair d8+, Arcane Skill d8+, at least two other crafting Knowledge skills at d6+
Making minor enchanted items is a time honored tradition of experienced magic users in the Palladium World and Rifts Earth. These minor magic items can handle nearly any situation. Once per game session, a Talisman crafter can create a minor magic item, or talisman. The talisman functions just like a Weird Science device, and uses any power available to the crafter (though this is still subject to Rank restrictions). It has half the crafter’s PPE, and once these are used up, the talisman burns out and does not recharge. The crafter must have access to some parts and a reasonable amount of time (GM’s call, but at least 1d20 minutes) to create the talisman.

[Freemage]

Some clarification on "Crafting Knowledges" would be good, I think. Players looking at this should know if this means they should be taking Knowledge: Arcana or Knowledge: Blacksmithing....

[Ndreare]

Where is the poll for me to vote approved on?

[Ndreare]

Some clarification on "Crafting Knowledges" would be good, I think. Players looking at this should know if this means they should be taking Knowledge: Arcana or Knowledge: Blacksmithing....

Perhaps it would be better to say requires knowledge Arcana and one other crafting skill related to the nature of the talisman. Example of your crafting a sword it's blacksmithing if you're crafting an amulet it would be carving sculpting or gilding

[Pender Lumkiss]

Kn arcana and kn engineering maybe?

[Ndreare]

I know the original is two knowledge science skills.
But for an Enchanter I think the knowledge Arcana is essential. For the second knowledge, I can see almost any as long as it is related to what you are making.

[High Command]

And this is why there is not a poll yet

Revision:

Talisman
Requirements: Veteran, Arcane Background (Any but Weird Science), Smarts d8+, Repair d8+, Arcane Skill d8+, Knowledge (Arcane) d6+, one other crafting Knowledge skill at d6+
Making minor enchanted items is a time honored tradition of experienced magic users in the Palladium World and Rifts Earth. These minor magic items can handle nearly any situation. Once per game session, a Talisman crafter can create a minor magic item, or talisman. The talisman functions just like a Weird Science device, and uses any power available to the crafter (though this is still subject to Rank restrictions). It has half the crafter’s PPE, and once these are used up, the talisman burns out and does not recharge. The crafter must have access to some parts and a reasonable amount of time (GM’s call, but at least 1d20 minutes) to create the talisman.

Note: A crafting knowledge would be something like Smithing, Gemology, Sculpting, or Woodcarving

[Pender Lumkiss]

All those crafting skills are too narrow. They would normally be defined by a defining interest.

Could engineering if interpreted broadly and with an eye half closed be used for all of the examples?

[Hans Greuber]

All those crafting skills are too narrow. They would normally be defined by a defining interest.

Could engineering if interpreted broadly and with an eye half closed be used for all of the examples?

or Knowledge: Science?

[Freemage]

I think my preference for this is a d6 in Knowledge: Engineering and a d6 in either Knowledge: Arcana or Knowledge: Science.

[Pender Lumkiss]

Either of those would be fine, I would like to avoid adding in more knowledges especially if they are so specific.

[Ndreare]

Knowledge Arcana should totally be required.

Seems like everyone else likes Knowledge Engineering so let's make those to the requirements.

[Corrigon]

could the knowledge engineering be provided by another character when creating items though? The mage enchants an item made to their specifications by say an operator?

[Ndreare]

could the knowledge engineering be provided by another character when creating items though? The mage enchants an item made to their specifications by say an operator?

That would be cool. Like in Wheel of Time book 10, when Parin performed the Crafting and the Ashaman performed the imbuing with power.

[High Command]

Knowledge (Engineering): The mechanical aspects of machines, as well as the nature and elements of physical structures, fall under this skill.

Knowledge (Science): A broad-based knowledge of physics, chemistry, and related disciplines can be valuable in many situations.

Please explain to me what either of those has to do with sculpting, crafting gems into aesthetically pleasing settings, or creating weapons by traditional forging methods? I could see a stretch for Engineering and weapons - maybe

Here's the skill from Shaintar:
Knowledge (“X” Craft): Applies to the creation of special items that can be magically enchanted. The most appropriate versions are Gem Craft; Armor Craft (metal); Weapon Craft (metal); Wood Craft (staves, bows included; involves Everwood, too); Silver Craft (as applies to both silver and White Silver)

The concept here is the mage is imbuing as a part of the creation. But if you wanted to let another player help with creation, sure I guess I could see it. but it doesn't change that the character needs to know how the item is made to create minor magical items.

[Venatus Vinco]

could the knowledge engineering be provided by another character when creating items though? The mage enchants an item made to their specifications by say an operator?

That would be cool. Like in Wheel of Time book 10, when Parin performed the Crafting and the Ashaman performed the imbuing with power.

I think this would be a co-operative roll/task using the rules for the same. So a competent engineer/blacksmith could assist the mage using those rules...not sure if I would work it in reverse where the mage can enchant as a part of a cooperative roll with a crafter (blacksmith, engineer, etc.).

[Pender Lumkiss]

Knowledge (Engineering): The mechanical aspects of machines, as well as the nature and elements of physical structures, fall under this skill.

Knowledge (Science): A broad-based knowledge of physics, chemistry, and related disciplines can be valuable in many situations.

Please explain to me what either of those has to do with sculpting, crafting gems into aesthetically pleasing settings, or creating weapons by traditional forging methods? I could see a stretch for Engineering and weapons - maybe

Here's the skill from Shaintar:
Knowledge (“X” Craft): Applies to the creation of special items that can be magically enchanted. The most appropriate versions are Gem Craft; Armor Craft (metal); Weapon Craft (metal); Wood Craft (staves, bows included; involves Everwood, too); Silver Craft (as applies to both silver and White Silver)

The concept here is the mage is imbuing as a part of the creation. But if you wanted to let another player help with creation, sure I guess I could see it. but it doesn't change that the character needs to know how the item is made to create minor magical items.

Hey there HC, you said it your self engineering is about the nature and elements of physical structures. I am pretty sure gems and swords and armor are physical. I totally get the idea to bring in more skills, heck I just about went down this road with kn demolitions, but honestly SW does not need a lot of skills. Find the broad kn skill that you can fit all your crafting knowledges into. I totally get that some settings need a bit more than others, but I would think given SRs broad based on skills you could fit in any of your kn crafting. Obviously if that does not work for you, do it whatever way you want.

[High Command]

The description of the skills seems very science, not fantasy to me. What about a single Knowledge (Crafting) skill?

Knowledge (Crafting) The general knowledge of, and competency with, all forms of the traditional crafting arts. From making chainmail to setting and cutting gems, to working with clay to sculpt items (and making metal and ceramic forms of those sculpts. This is generally used by traditional craftsmen.

[Ndreare]

The description of the skills seems very science, not fantasy to me. What about a single Knowledge (Crafting) skill?

Knowledge (Crafting) The general knowledge of, and competency with, all forms of the traditional crafting arts. From making chainmail to setting and cutting gems, to working with clay to sculpt items (and making metal and ceramic forms of those sculpts. This is generally used by traditional craftsmen.

Sounds good to me. And much more fitting for a mage than Engineering and Science skills.

[Freemage]

I mainly proposed K: Engineering to prevent skill proliferation (which some have already complained about in SR). That said, a broad-based Knowledge: Crafting or Knowledge: Artisan skill seems like a solid compromise.

[Hans Greuber]

I mainly proposed K: Engineering to prevent skill proliferation (which some have already complained about in SR). That said, a broad-based Knowledge: Crafting or Knowledge: Artisan skill seems like a solid compromise.

Maybe use the Repair skill to cover the hands-on skill

[High Command]

Yeah, repair is in there already. But doing the hands on work doesn't help without the eye for it

I like Knowledge (Artisan). We'll need to add that to the House Rules, but it's really just a description and a skill. Nothing major. Any edits needed?

Knowledge (Artisan):
The general knowledge of, and competency with, all forms of the traditional crafting arts. From making chainmail to setting and cutting gems, to working with clay to sculpt items (and making metal and ceramic forms of those sculpts). This is generally used by traditional craftsmen and artisans.

[High Command]

Made the above change to the edge. Any votes?