Young Restriction
Young Restriction
Okay, starting this convo here, since I'm ditching the character and closing out that thread. Basically, should we just go ahead and make it a flat rule that Young PCs are no-go, and stick that in the CharCreation guidelines?
I know the issue with my character was the combination of Young and a Juicer--ie, 'doomed child'. But honestly, I cannot see the Legion, or even the Black Company accepting any non-Dragon Young character (12 or under, per the book) that is NOT 'doomed' (basically, either Juicer or Crazy). Those two IFs are forced by their nature into combat, due to the function of their implants; keeping them out of action would arguably be a form of torment in itself. But otherwise, even if a Young character were taken in by the Legion (say, a Young Mystic on some sort of 'Chosen One' background), they'd be kept at Castle Refuge for safety and training, not sent off gallivanting on battlefields and facing down demon-worshipping cultists.
I know the issue with my character was the combination of Young and a Juicer--ie, 'doomed child'. But honestly, I cannot see the Legion, or even the Black Company accepting any non-Dragon Young character (12 or under, per the book) that is NOT 'doomed' (basically, either Juicer or Crazy). Those two IFs are forced by their nature into combat, due to the function of their implants; keeping them out of action would arguably be a form of torment in itself. But otherwise, even if a Young character were taken in by the Legion (say, a Young Mystic on some sort of 'Chosen One' background), they'd be kept at Castle Refuge for safety and training, not sent off gallivanting on battlefields and facing down demon-worshipping cultists.
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I'm okay saying the concept needs 100% GM and group approval - but not a full on ban. Really, it's how you treat it. We had a young character in the 99s, but because he was in a cyborg body and used it for introspection and cool RP, it didn't really come up except as a tragic figure. A young flesh and blood character might not have that insulation. I kinda compare Billy Borg to Alphonse Elric in his big suit of armor. He doesn't liek things being weird, so they don't get weird.
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"Ed will introduce Ed. Full name Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV."
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- Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV, commonly called Ed, colloquially known as Radical Edward and born on January 1, 2058 as Françoise Appledelhi, is a child prodigy skilled in hacking originally from Earth. She is a comically-eccentric teenager around 13 years of age.
She was the first thing I thought about when I was reading your Young Juicer. Only difference was the added bit about being a Juicer. I have/had no issues with the "tragic youngster". I denied the Character solely because other preexisting Players in the group were uncomfortable with it. Another group might not have had same unease and it might never have been a "thing".
I understand the feeling that maybe it needs to be a site wide rule, however, as a GM here I'd rather be allowed to make decisions on what is alright/approved in my game. Either based on my GM comfort level or taking consideration of how the whole group will be affected.
So my "short" answer is: Every Group / GM should be allowed to make their own decisions on the matter of whether a character fits their groups style and play type. It could be as simple as, hey a Crazie is going to throw off our team balance, or a Massive Power Armor might not do well with us because we are foot soldiers who sneak around always. Maybe its, we are anti-D-Bee and you playing a alien in our all ex-CS group might cause issues. Or it might just be, I feel uncomfortable adding a 12 year old to our nasty band of outlaws, smugglers and thieves.
I do think she (Young Juicer) was neat. In fact it makes me think of a story I now want to write about evil Federation Mages forcing children into harnesses and pointing them at the CS after spending months indoctrinating the youth with images of how their parents were murdered by CS troops. (Actually mages in disguise!)
It might have been super fun having her in the BC. If she was an original member and a new person wanted to join but said they were uncomfortable with her - I'd say so don't join us. But as she was joining a existing group, I cautioned on the side of the existing BC. As said in Hangouts, you were all welcome to vote on it. But if even just one person was not okay with it, than no.
I'm getting long winded here so I will finish up. I think leaving it to individual groups is fine. Thank you.
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I agree that a site ban isn't necessary though I am glad the group's opinion was taken into consideration.
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I do want to stress that I agree with this. The players were right to speak up about feeling uncomfortable, and Dan was right to listen.Radecliffe wrote:I agree that a site ban isn't necessary though I am glad the group's opinion was taken into consideration.
Since it seems there's no real support for the site-wide ban, I'll let the subject drop.
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Oh, I’m in favor of a site-wide ban. Considering the subject matter covered in some games, for general public perception purposes I think it’s best to avoid minor PCs altogether. Best to just stay well away from even the misperception that the streams might cross.
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I am opposed to enforcing the rule on other peoples games, but in favor of respecting the boundaries of people inside games.
I believe Dan made the right call, but would not be bothered at all to see the character in another game.
I believe Dan made the right call, but would not be bothered at all to see the character in another game.
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Then it's very simple:
We make the rule this:
We make the rule this:
- Regarding the Young Hindrance (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young Hindrance are equal, and neither are all reactions to the Young Hindrance. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue.
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I think that's a good way of doing it.
, and of course update your signatures!
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I would think this would be done for any character and hindrance combination.High Command wrote:Then it's very simple:
We make the rule this:
- Regarding the Young Hindrance (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young Hindrance are equal, and neither are all reactions to the Young Hindrance. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue.
A bloodthirsty, vengeful, mean character might have a hard time fitting in with a group of heroic pacifists.
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To a degree, you're right. But the Young hindrance seems to be a particular sticking point moreso than any other hindrance or combination thereof. It's not a matter of a character fitting into a group of characters as it is, in this case, of the character fitting in with the other players.Pender Lumkiss wrote:I would think this would be done for any character and hindrance combination.
A bloodthirsty, vengeful, mean character might have a hard time fitting in with a group of heroic pacifists.
Besides, anyone who makes a bloodthirsty, vengeful, mean character is asking either to play a villain or to be completely outcast. With the exception (kind of) of the BC, these are supposed to be vaguely heroic characters. Who really, really wants to play that much of an @$$hole? That would get so old, so quickly.
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Excellent point.Pender Lumkiss wrote:I would think this would be done for any character and hindrance combination.High Command wrote:Then it's very simple:
We make the rule this:
- Regarding the Young Hindrance (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young Hindrance are equal, and neither are all reactions to the Young Hindrance. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue.
A bloodthirsty, vengeful, mean character might have a hard time fitting in with a group of heroic pacifists.
, and of course update your signatures!
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Tribe? I kid, but it kind of applies. Penitent is a very strifeful character. But hey, I can say I don't find it old to demean all of you in my posts as Krys, so it takes one to know one.Maximilian wrote:Who really, really wants to play that much of an @$$hole? That would get so old, so quickly.
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Tribe is some kind of a jerk (totally kidding) but I've gotten nothing from Pen or Krys that suggests they can't fit into a group. Aloof? Superior? Fine. Homicidal maniac? Even Penitent doesn't strike me as that type. Maybe I'm just new. But he did only stab that one guy in the hand, and didn't cut his head off.High Command wrote:Tribe? I kid, but it kind of applies. Penitent is a very strifeful character. But hey, I can say I don't find it old to demean all of you in my posts as Krys, so it takes one to know one.Maximilian wrote:Who really, really wants to play that much of an @$$hole? That would get so old, so quickly.
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He also cut a demon baby out of a woman's stomach and left her bleeding alone. Nah, Krys is all about working with you lesser beings. You can be really useful!
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Pen just knows what his strengths are
Cutting things, yes. Putting people back together not so much. He would have probably just caused more damage. So really, leaving her for Ashlyn or anybody else was the charitable thing to do.
Joking aside, I wouldn't have ever pitched him for the 99th, for example. And I hope the over the top redemption-through-violence is more entertaining than annoying.
Cutting things, yes. Putting people back together not so much. He would have probably just caused more damage. So really, leaving her for Ashlyn or anybody else was the charitable thing to do.
Joking aside, I wouldn't have ever pitched him for the 99th, for example. And I hope the over the top redemption-through-violence is more entertaining than annoying.
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Most of the time, but I admit how wrong you did the woman with the child still bugs me. :/ Is what it isTribe of One wrote:Joking aside, I wouldn't have ever pitched him for the 99th, for example. And I hope the over the top redemption-through-violence is more entertaining than annoying.
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"In so far as you are concerned, I am the right arm of High Command itself. You are my Fist, be ready to strike at any moment." Major Killian Gregor, 3rd SOG Battalion, CSSD, Chi-Town.
"In so far as you are concerned, I am the right arm of High Command itself. You are my Fist, be ready to strike at any moment." Major Killian Gregor, 3rd SOG Battalion, CSSD, Chi-Town.
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I'll add this to the Character Creation main post
Controversial Concepts (Young, Bloodthirsty, etc): Regarding these Hindrances (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young or Bloodthirsty Hindrances are equal, and neither are all reactions to them. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue. We have had it be an issue in the past, and communication is the best prevention to any unpleasantness. These are not the only such concepts or hindrances, but they are indicative.
That should resolve any further unpleasantness from this, one hopes.
Controversial Concepts (Young, Bloodthirsty, etc): Regarding these Hindrances (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young or Bloodthirsty Hindrances are equal, and neither are all reactions to them. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue. We have had it be an issue in the past, and communication is the best prevention to any unpleasantness. These are not the only such concepts or hindrances, but they are indicative.
That should resolve any further unpleasantness from this, one hopes.
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"In so far as you are concerned, I am the right arm of High Command itself. You are my Fist, be ready to strike at any moment." Major Killian Gregor, 3rd SOG Battalion, CSSD, Chi-Town.
"In so far as you are concerned, I am the right arm of High Command itself. You are my Fist, be ready to strike at any moment." Major Killian Gregor, 3rd SOG Battalion, CSSD, Chi-Town.
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I agree to this 100%High Command wrote:I'll add this to the Character Creation main post
Controversial Concepts (Young, Bloodthirsty, etc): Regarding these Hindrances (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young or Bloodthirsty Hindrances are equal, and neither are all reactions to them. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue. We have had it be an issue in the past, and communication is the best prevention to any unpleasantness. These are not the only such concepts or hindrances, but they are indicative.
That should resolve any further unpleasantness from this, one hopes.
, and of course update your signatures!
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Sounds good.RFT wrote:I agree to this 100%High Command wrote:I'll add this to the Character Creation main post
Controversial Concepts (Young, Bloodthirsty, etc): Regarding these Hindrances (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young or Bloodthirsty Hindrances are equal, and neither are all reactions to them. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue. We have had it be an issue in the past, and communication is the best prevention to any unpleasantness. These are not the only such concepts or hindrances, but they are indicative.
That should resolve any further unpleasantness from this, one hopes.
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Tribe, Freemage? This sound good to you?
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I dig.High Command wrote:I'll add this to the Character Creation main post
Controversial Concepts (Young, Bloodthirsty, etc): Regarding these Hindrances (as with everything else about your character), check with your (prospective) GM about the concept and make sure that group gets to comment as well. Not all applications of the Young or Bloodthirsty Hindrances are equal, and neither are all reactions to them. Better to know at the start if there is going to be an issue. We have had it be an issue in the past, and communication is the best prevention to any unpleasantness. These are not the only such concepts or hindrances, but they are indicative.
That should resolve any further unpleasantness from this, one hopes.
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*Thumbs-up*
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Locking and archiving this
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"In so far as you are concerned, I am the right arm of High Command itself. You are my Fist, be ready to strike at any moment." Major Killian Gregor, 3rd SOG Battalion, CSSD, Chi-Town.