Outrider's Silver Claws

[Snake Eyes]

Base Item: Vibro-Vambraces
Minor (x2): Add +1 to parry and Silver (+5K each)
Major: Add Extraction (+25K and -1 Availability)
Major: Add Counterattack (+25K and -2 Availability)

Outrider's Vibro-Vambraces

Designed to allow for both devastating counterattacks and ease of withdrawal, these claws feature a retractable extension mode that allow for surprising reach in combat, but do not markedly change the balance and normal use due to it being more of a momentary burst of length, rather than being long all the time.

• • Damage: Str+2d4, AP 10, Silver
  • Weight: 2 (Min Str d6)
  • Grants the wearer the Extraction and Counterattack Edges
  • Notes: Parry +2 (must be worn as a pair for the bonus). Count as Claws. Harmonic Blades, MD, Powered Weapons
  • Rarity: -5 Cost: 71,000

[High Command]

One FIWS as a base item is fine; Two is a separate piece of gear.

Full stats including a price based on the upper end of what the original FIWS sold for (price in Heroes of Humanity p. 128). Weight pulled from Heroes of Humanity p. 127). If either get revised in a future book, we'll revise it then.

CAJ-5 FIWS
• Plasma Blaster (Range 12/24/48, 3d12+3 Mega Damage, RoF 1, Shots 10, It Burns)
• Vibro-Tri-Claw (Str+3d4, AP 6, +1 Parry, Claws)
• Min Str d12+1 (15 lbs)
• Cost 50,000 credits. Not Available on the Black Market

Sorry for increasing the min str, but looking at similar items, it needs to be at least d12+1. Again, Brawny and Soldier can reduce this, as normal, as can a minor Mod. The equivalent weight is the Giant two handed Vibro-Sword. But that's also large by design. While the FIWS is oversized, its meant to be used by Juicers; The one in the book has a d12 strength and Brawny. While you can only infer so much from a NPC listing, even in PR it was heavy and unwieldy. I've used them for borgs and power armor plenty.

If you want to go back to Vibro-Claws, feel free. But it will be capped at 2d4. No way to add that without a GM mod, one I am not willing to add myself. If you want to invest in making them lighter, i suggest it. One minor mod would bring it down to needing a d12, two to a d10. Brawny and Soldier could further bring it down as low as a d6. Instead of making it lighter, I'd say it comes with an enhancing exoskeleton that helps support the weight.

[Tribe of One]

Capital-N-O-O-O from me, as far as using the FIWS as a base item. One, the FIWS in Empires is a horribly designed and overpowered conversion of the PR weapon system. Two, and more importantly as a Sig Item, it doesn't have a full stat block, so you can't figure weight or cost, which is needed for Repair purposes.

Edit: 50k is a joke. And not official. I'm not looking to break precedent for Sig Items especially with something so OP. Happy to be outvoted if others want to go there -- we can start basing Sig Items on Republican gear and Shemarrian railguns and all the other fun stuff.

[High Command]

I never said it was official SR. It IS official in PR though, and absent full stats, what I will use.

Also, there is no setting precedent with Sig items. Every single one is purely unique to the GM and setting. If the character transfers it will probably mean recreating it with the new GM anyway, or them saying, "Yeah, I agree with the original GM." That practice has born out multiple times with different GMs and characters. Likewise, GMs have made players come back and revise when they realize something doesn't work.

The slot of a Sig item transfers, not the item itself. If you're playing a Republican game, you should be able to use items organic to the setting that is being played (unless they are undercover or whatever). Same if someone ran a Shemarran game set in their own lands.

The only precedent comes in what mods you're allowing, which is why they all get gut checked.

For instance, I can see no way the Instant Reach works as a hand worn claw. Similarly, adding a die of damage to a weapon is not okay.

[High Command]

Using the CAJ-5 my suggestion is this:
2 Minor:
weight reduction x2
2 Major:
+1 Parry (Minor, but using a Major slot)
Silvered (Minor, but using a Major slot)

There's no way I can wrap my head around the reach mod. Adding 30 inches to those claws means basically you're one arm wielding three swords. No way that goes well for anything but PA and Borgs, and even then I'd question it.

"Outrider's Special" CAJ-5 FIWS

Modified for use by normal, though strong, troops, the Outrider's Special is popular with hovercycle and skycycle pilots.
• Plasma Blaster (Range 12/24/48, 3d12+3 Mega Damage, RoF 1, Shots 10, It Burns)
• Vibro-Tri-Claw (Str+3d4, AP 6, +2 Parry, Claws, Silver)
• Min Str d10 (15 lbs)
• Cost 70,000 (?) credits. Not Available on the Black Market

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Alternately just use HJ option and be done:
The weapon utilizes lightweight construction techniques and materials, reduce weight by a third and Minimum Strength by one die type.
The weapon utilizes lightweight construction techniques and materials, reduce weight by a third and Minimum Strength by one die type.
The crafter of this weapon knows something about vampires and other monsters in the world—she incorporated silver into its making.
Price ends up being higher (200,000) but price isn't really an issue here. Your issue will be finding someone who can repair it without ruining it. Either in group (likely, honestly) or via Networking, using the rules in Requisition.

"Outrider's Special" CAJ-5 FIWS

Modified for use by normal, though strong, troops, the Outrider's Special is popular with hovercycle and skycycle pilots.
• Plasma Blaster (Range 12/24/48, 3d12+3 Mega Damage, RoF 1, Shots 10, It Burns)
• Vibro-Tri-Claw (Str+3d4, AP 6, +1 Parry, Claws, Silver)
• Min Str d10 (15 lbs)
• Cost 200,000 (?) credits. Not Available on the Black Market

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Alternately, there's a lighter FIWS option that can be had, using the HJ table options.
Base Item: Vibro-Vambraces
Adding HJ Results 17 (+1 Parry), 13 (silver), and either 18 (embedded laser) or 15 (AP +2) gives a final cost of 44,000

Two stat blocks below to represent them:

Monster Hunter's Vibro-Vambraces

Designed for use by Psi-Stalker and Dogboy commandos, these vibro-claws are good at getting past the armor of monsters and malcontents alike.

• • Damage: Str+2d4, AP 10, Silver
  • Weight: 2 (Min Str d6)
  • Notes: Parry +2 (must be worn as a pair for the bonus). Count as Claws. Harmonic Blades, MD, Powered Weapons
  • Rarity: -6 Cost: 44,000

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Outrider's CAV-10 Dual Forearm Integrated Weapon System

Designed for more normal users, based on the juicer weapon. The designation as a Vibro-weapon, usable by the infantry, rather than CAJ, which indicates its use by Juicers, has led to scouts, outriders, and skycycle pilots to refer to them as Outrider's Claws.

• • Silvered Vibro-Blades (one on each arm)
  • • Damage: Str+2d4, AP 8, Silver
  • • Notes: Parry +2 (must be worn as a pair for the bonus). Count as Claws. Harmonic Blades, MD, Powered Weapons
  • Integrated Laser Weapon (one on dominant hand)
  • • Range: 15/30/60
  • • Dmg: 2d6+2, AP: 4
  • • ROF: 1
  • • Shots: 16
  • • Notes: Cauterize, No Recoil
  • Weight: 5 (Min Str d6)
  • Rarity: -6 Cost: 44,000

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Base Item: Vibro-Vambraces
Minor (x2): Add +1 to parry and Silver (+5K each)
Major: Add +2 AP (major Mod, but it's a Minor item, so +5K)
Major: Add Counter-Attack (+25K and -2 Availability; alternately First Strike)

Monster Hunter's Vibro-Vambraces

Designed for use by Psi-Stalker and Dogboy commandos, these vibro-claws are good at getting past the armor of monsters and malcontents alike.

• • Damage: Str+2d4, AP 10, Silver
  • Weight: 2 (Min Str d6)
  • Grants the wearer the Counter Attack Edge
  • Notes: Parry +2 (must be worn as a pair for the bonus). Count as Claws. Harmonic Blades, MD, Powered Weapons
  • Rarity: -4 Cost: 51,000

[High Command]

Base Item: Vibro-Vambraces
Minor (x2): Add +1 to parry and Silver (+5K each)
Major: Add Extraction (+25K and -1 Availability)
Major: Add First Strike (+25K and -2 Availability; alternately Counter-Attack)

Outrider's Vibro-Vambraces

Designed to allow for both devastating counterattacks and ease of withdrawal, these claws feature a retractable extension mode that allow for surprising reach in combat, but do not markedly change the balance and normal use due to it being more of a momentary burst of length, rather than being long all the time.

• • Damage: Str+2d4, AP 10, Silver
  • Weight: 2 (Min Str d6)
  • Grants the wearer the First Strike and Extraction Edges
  • Notes: Parry +2 (must be worn as a pair for the bonus). Count as Claws. Harmonic Blades, MD, Powered Weapons
  • Rarity: -5 Cost: 71,000

[Snake Eyes]

Original submission has been edited to match the above, using Counterattack in place of First Strike.

[High Command]

Cool, approved on my end.

[Venatus Vinco]

That seems to avoid most issues raise to date, approved.

[Ndreare]

I have no opinion on this.

The Power Gamers wet dream that is the FWIS is perfectly fine in some games (I even allowed one in one of mine) and completely broken as both the most powerful plasma weapon and the best vibro weapon combined. So I think the original works in some games, and the new one works in most all games.

[High Command]

Yeah, with what I have planned for them, sure 3d12 with all the edges invested will be nasty, but I'm already planning for that. You should see what Boyce is bringing to the table; a squishy guy with a nasty claw is the least of my worries.

[Tribe of One]

No issue with the revised version. Approved. Also a note that my issue with the FIWS is just using it as base for a Sig Item. No issue with GMs handing them out in campaigns when appropriate. But with Sig Items we've tried to stick to a common baseline and I think that should continue.

[Snake Eyes]

No issue with the revised version. Approved. Also a note that my issue with the FIWS is just using it as base for a Sig Item. No issue with GMs handing them out in campaigns when appropriate. But with Sig Items we've tried to stick to a common baseline and I think that should continue.

That's fine by me. Thanks Tribe.

[Freemage]

Approved.