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New SPC 3 Considerations

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I plan on allowing SPC characters in the Remorseless and am trying to hammer out a framework that we can universally allow on the site until the new Savaging Your Favorite Rifts comes out.

So this is what I have allowed, but I would like feedback, and especially from @Lars as I would like to turn Humble into a SPC3 build.


When making a character with Super Powers there are two options:

MARS Super Soldier Option
  • Select the M.A.R.S. Iconic Framework.
  • The character gains 20 Super Power Points with a Power Limit of 10 points.
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Physical or Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character may take Cybernetics, however each point of Strain reduces available power points by 2 points.
  • HJ Magic & Mysticism and Psionics are removed from the allowed Heroes Journey tables the character may roll on/select from.
  • With game master permission the character may select a race other than human. However races with more than 6 inherent hindrance points are discouraged and power Trappings selected must respect the selected races Restricted Paths if they have them.
  • Custom Races will be heavily scrutinized.
  • Begin with Standard Gear
  • Scrutiny: Much like the Intelligent Construct SPC builds allow a lot of customization. Game Masters are encouraged to veto and disallow characters with a large amount of limitations on powers, or designs that are effectively another framework built better.
    Special focus should be paid for character with already powerful races (such as Altara and Psi-Ghost) to ensure the final character effect is not game breaking or vetoing other characters.



Supernaturals and Super Soldiers
  • The character gains 40 Super Power Points, with a Power Limit of 20 points.
  • The character gains 5 power points each rank as their power grows.
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Physical or Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character may take Cybernetics, however each point of Strain reduces available power points by 2 points.
  • HJ Magic & Mysticism and Psionics are removed from the allowed Heroes Journey tables the character may roll on/select from.
  • With game master permission the character may select a race other than human. However races with more than 6 inherent hindrance points are discouraged and power Trappings selected must respect the selected races Restricted Paths if they have them.
  • Custom Races will be heavily scrutinized.
  • Begin with Standard Gear
  • Scrutiny: Much like the Intelligent Construct SPC builds allow a lot of customization. Game Masters are encouraged to veto and disallow characters with a large amount of limitations on powers, or designs that are effectively another framework built better.
    Special focus should be paid for character with already powerful races (such as Altara and Psi-Ghost) to ensure the final character effect is not game breaking or vetoing other characters.



My plan would be to use the second one to represent my Godling character Humble as an Ogre with the second one.

EDIT: Updated per @High Command's feedback.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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re: MARS Super Soldier: 30 seems like a lot. Given that you can build a better mars character with it than MARS can do on its own. most MARS packages are in the 20 build point range, which favorably compares to 20 SPC power points used to by the same stuff. So for the drawback of 4 extra points they get 10 beyond what MARS can do? Seems a bit strong. I could see 25 with a power limit of 10.

On Both: Strain should reduce power points by 2 per point since each point of strain represents about 2 build points.

Beyond Bounds: I'm not sure you should limit HJ to 1. I think 2 would be acceptable. The reason being that if a game DOESN'T allow you some measure of control over the rolls, someone might trade 2 for one.

Further Consideration: Can the character choose another AB? As of now they are not necessarily restricted. That may be intentional and I'm not personally opposed, but its worth asking.


Setting Rules
Which setting rules should be allowed?


Re: Custom Races, with the caveat that a GM might allow the use of campaign specific custom races. I'm thinking of Phase World Gun Brothers or Invincible Guardsmen, or even Warlock Marines.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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High Command wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:39 am ...
Feedback incorporated, I think I captured your intent.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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MARS packages are balanced around 16-18 pts, so 20 SPC points, not 25, makes sense if you require a Hindrance and also have the cyber drawback. I could see going up to 25 if you removed an F&G roll, perhaps.

As for the 60 pt option, I think that's too much without additional drawbacks. The Intelligent Construct comes in at about 48 pts including HJ rolls and drawbacks and it is a beast. SPC is just as flexible if not more so. I think you need to either build in 10-15 pts of drawbacks, which is a lot (but consider the IC or Sea Titans, etc for some real negatives) or start them at 45 SPC pts and let them spend an advance at each new rank to get 5 more points.
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@Tribe of One I think you need to re-math the IC.
They come preloaded with 8 points, recieve bonus points for design choice up front and get to pick 48 points if custom.
I think most builds get an extra 10-20 build points from the inframework hindrances.




I see your point.

So 45 with some growth potential could work. I would still max them at 60 to be on part with Cyborgs and Dragons.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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The character gains two Hero's Journey rolls from any table except HJ Magic & Mysticism or Psionics.

Items and Gadgets off limits too?

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Cannot be combine with Custom Races will be heavily scrutinized, not allowed for any races with Restricted Path from any Arcane Background

Depending on where the coma should be… reword that, it confuses my limited mind :)

Any AB? I mean: if race restrictions are no Magic but Psi ok, is answer a no still.

I’m thinking about it. Just initial thoughts that others didn’t already address.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Ndreare wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:19 am
[*]Cannot be combine with races that have Restricted Path from any Arcane Background.
[*]Custom Races will be heavily scrutinized.
Maybe this is clearer?
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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That's much better, yes. :)

As for balance, I concur that the 'main' SPC branch is properly balanced against the heavy hitter IF's. I admit liking 30 points for MARS just because it lets you take Best There Is and spend exactly half your power points on one power, then have a nice even 15 left for whatever else you want.

But that is...a very aesthetic thing, and has nothing to do with game balance, hehe.

First to admit I don't have a very numerical grasp of what's balanced in the system and what's not. The edges feel pretty fuzzy to me. With SPC, what's balanced varies a LOT by build, and not necessarily by point value.

Example, using Rob's 60 point version there, I made a version of a character who has a relatively narrow field of power within which she is very strong...but outside of that she's just a mildly enhanced human baseline. Put her up against a battalion of combat robots and cyborgs, and she will wreak havoc. A bunch of completely organic creatures with pointy sticks? ...well she has a gun. :)

The point being that that's one result of 60 points. But another could easily be someone rocking Toughness 30, with a -10 damage force field and a ranged attack that does 10d6 damage (with some creative synergy from edges and so on).Of course, even THAT character has a narrow focus. Outside of a combat situation, they're likely not to have much to say.

Allowing that kind of super-flexible character generation requires more collaboration between player and GM, and a player to be more willing to listen and make adjustments. The payoff is the ability to create unique concepts that can't be done right any other way.

...

So I think 60 is probably fine. 45 to start with some scaling per rank, also probably fine.
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Race: Android
Iconic Framework: MARS Techno Warrior
Attributes: Agility d10, Smarts d8, Spirit d8, Strength d10 (d12+2), Vigor d8
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Fighting 1d8 (1d12+2)
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Persuasion 1d6
Stealth 1d8
Streetwise 1d8
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Clueless (Major - Is rebuilding knowledge of the world after having suffered near-total memory loss)
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Elan (+2 on rolls resulting from using a Benny)
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Core Electronics (1)
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Reinforced Frame 2 (2)
* +4 Toughness
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* +1d Vigor
Cyber-Wired Reflexes 1 (1)
* +1d Agility
Wired Chip Port (1)
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Targeting Eye (1)
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RoF: 3
AP: 4
Shots: 20
Weight: 60 lbs
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Hunting/Fishing kit (+1 to Survival to forage)
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I like tribe’s thoughts of 30 pts with 10-15 pts worth of drawbacks to get up to 45 pts. I would recommend some kind of sliding scale so that if you were running big damn heroes, megaversal ravagers, etc. you would have a different pt build.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I honestly feel like the 30 points with 10+ points of hindrances feels deliberately punitive. At that point the GM should just be saying "Nah, I would rather not have that in my game."

Even the old version had 55 points with only 4 points in hindrances. The characters made in that version where not broken, and the GMs had the ability to edit or nurf them when needed.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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My suggestion for the 'pure' Super is straight-up Rising Stars Tier IV. So you start with 40 SPC points, but then get 5 more points for free (not as an Advance) at each new Rank from Seasoned onward. Power limit is still 20 points.

I'm not sure I agree entirely with forbidding any Race that has a single forbidden AB type. Rather, I'd argue that Trappings for such a character would be restricted. Characters who can't use PPE but can use ISP (the most common version, given the existence of so many psychic races) would be limited to suitably 'psychic' Powers and Trappings, while non-ISP-using races would be barred from those same sorts of Trappings and Powers. Obviously, this requires a closer collaboration between the GM and the Player, in order to make sure they agree on where the line is.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I do see multiple people indicate Rising Stars type approach which is strange to me as something I do not see in Palladium Rifts or Savage Rifts models. I think the attraction to that model must be based on personal taste for it, rather than something in the game?

What other framework has a model of gaining power or access as they level without using an edge.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Ndreare wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:05 pm I do see multiple people indicate Rising Stars type approach which is strange to me as something I do not see in Palladium Rifts or Savage Rifts models. I think the attraction to that model must be based on personal taste for it, rather than something in the game?

What other framework has a model of gaining power or access as they level without using an edge.
TW get more free Edges (Major Enchant Item) as they level... and can throw more Upgrades onto the TW items they make
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Hum, I could make arguments about design and timing. But realistically that is a good point. Unlike other frameworks they really are designed with the Zero to Hero structure. So maybe Rifts does have room for that type of build.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Ndreare wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:05 pm I do see multiple people indicate Rising Stars type approach which is strange to me as something I do not see in Palladium Rifts or Savage Rifts models. I think the attraction to that model must be based on personal taste for it, rather than something in the game?

What other framework has a model of gaining power or access as they level without using an edge.

I'll add in that Shifters (especially Diabolists and Elementalists) definitely get 'power-ups' just by Advancing, since their central Power is tiered to Rank.

As for making it 'free', well, that's partially a compromise and, yes, a preference on play-style. As noted, at least some Frameworks start out at 60 points. This is a way to get Supers there without having them be quite so front-loaded, and without shackling them with a mandatory Edge-per-Rank build.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Okay, so I made a bunch of changes above based on the feedback.
I changed the points to 40 with 5 point gain per rank. I also changed the working on alternate race selection.
So let's take a look again please and see if this is workable.


I really dislike the idea of being able to combine SPC builds with already powerful races like Psi-Ghost, Sea Titans, Atlanteans Atlanteans and and Altanrans.

Perhaps the best way would be to say "Mechanically human". And have an option if you want the mechanical properties of a race you lose 5 power points?
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Ndreare wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:58 am Okay, so I made a bunch of changes above based on the feedback.
I changed the points to 40 with 5 point gain per rank. I also changed the working on alternate race selection.
So let's take a look again please and see if this is workable.


I really dislike the idea of being able to combine SPC builds with already powerful races like Psi-Ghost, Sea Titans, Atlanteans Atlanteans and and Altanrans.

Perhaps the best way would be to say "Mechanically human". And have an option if you want the mechanical properties of a race you lose 5 power points?
In SWD, you would start with a mechanical Human... then use the points for Powers to simulate a different race. Any race can be simulated with points for Powers. These guys should get the option to add Racial Hindrances, with maybe a 5 or 10 point max, and get these points for more Powers. In addition, they should start with some Inhuman Physiology, Mutant/DB, as well as Wanted by the Coalition and/or Federation.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Tiny Tim wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:11 am
Ndreare wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:58 am Okay, so I made a bunch of changes above based on the feedback.
I changed the points to 40 with 5 point gain per rank. I also changed the working on alternate race selection.
So let's take a look again please and see if this is workable.


I really dislike the idea of being able to combine SPC builds with already powerful races like Psi-Ghost, Sea Titans, Atlanteans Atlanteans and and Altanrans.

Perhaps the best way would be to say "Mechanically human". And have an option if you want the mechanical properties of a race you lose 5 power points?
In SWD, you would start with a mechanical Human... then use the points for Powers to simulate a different race. Any race can be simulated with points for Powers. These guys should get the option to add Racial Hindrances, with maybe a 5 or 10 point max, and get these points for more Powers. In addition, they should start with some Inhuman Physiology, Mutant/DB, as well as Wanted by the Coalition and/or Federation.
I like this approach. I just think about how broken a character I can make with the Atlantis book even without the customization of the SPC 3. Combining the two would be ridiculous.

Imagine a True Atlantean with 60 power points.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I'm digging it, now.
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Ramson Gourdaine, Phase World (Blazed)
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Freemage wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:59 pm I'm digging it, now.
With our without the change to race?

I personally like the change proposed to race by max.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Something like the following work for everyone? I would like to change to 45 starting points and +5 points at Seasoned, Veteran, and Heroic. I never see GMs willing to run Legendary characters and do not see the point in carrots set at that rank.
Updated wrote: MARS Super Soldier Option
  • Select the M.A.R.S. Iconic Framework.
  • The character gains 20 Super Power Points with a Power Limit of 10 points.
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Physical or Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character may take Cybernetics, however each point of Strain reduces available power points by 2 points.
  • Mechanically Human: The character begins mechanically human. The player can represent a race by selecting appropriate edges and powers, allowing up to four additional hindrance points in hindrances representing the traits of the race.
  • Begin with Standard Gear
  • Scrutiny: Much like the Intelligent Construct SPC builds allow a lot of customization. Game Masters are encouraged to veto and disallow characters with a large amount of limitations on powers.
  • HJ Magic & Mysticism and Psionics are removed from the allowed Heroes Journey tables the character may roll on/select from.
  • Setting Rules and Terms: The character is subject to the "New Terms" defined in SPC, in addition they have access to the Power Stunt setting rule, the New Edges and New Hindrances from SPC.



Supernaturals and Super Soldiers
  • The character gains 40 Super Power Points, with a Power Limit of 20 points. **See note above**
  • The character gains 5 power points each rank as their power grows.
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character must take 2 additional points in Physical or Super Hindrances (no points are awarded for these hindrances)
  • The character may take Cybernetics, however each point of Strain reduces available power points by 2 points.
  • Mechanically Human: The character begins mechanically human. The player can represent a race by selecting appropriate edges and powers, allowing up to four additional hindrance points in hindrances representing the traits of the race.
  • Begin with Standard Gear
  • Scrutiny: Much like the Intelligent Construct SPC builds allow a lot of customization. Game Masters are encouraged to veto and disallow characters with a large amount of limitations on powers.
  • HJ Magic & Mysticism and Psionics are removed from the allowed Heroes Journey tables the character may roll on/select from.
  • Setting Rules and Terms: The character is subject to the "New Terms" defined in SPC, in addition they have access to the Power Stunt setting rule, the New Edges and New Hindrances from SPC.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I like the race changes, and yeah, the adjustment to the points works for me.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I have no issue with Mechanically Human on Superhuman Powerhouse (a better name IMO than Supernaturals and Super Soldiers, which is confusing with the MARS option), but I disagree with it on the MARS option, or at the least it should include options if you want to replicate a True Atlantean who has been Alchemically modified to be a super soldier for their Clan, or a Sea Titan embracing their inner mutations, etc.

A GM can just say no to a race if they see it being a problem with the MARS option. I'd rather see a GM say "no one using the Super Soldier MARS Framework can use the following Races: List of races" than to blanket ban them in the IF.

As for Restricted Trappings; give them a few origin options:

Origin and Trappings: Characters may choose one of the following origins, or create another with their GM. You may not choose an option that is based on an Arcane Background restricted by your race (or virtual race if you are a Superhuman Powerhouse), unless your GM says otherwise.
Psionic Mutant: Your psionics have mutated your body in ways that go beyond the normal psionic mutations common to the populace. You may use psionic trappings, including those normally limited to Mind Melters. You do not start with Arcane Background (Psionics) unless your race (and GM) allows it. This may have been a natural or artificial process.
Genetic Mutation: Your powers come from a genetic mutation, much like users of Arcane Background (Gifted). Your trappings must stick to things that can be naturally emitted by living creatures, or be natural forces (besides magic and psionics) that could reasonably be adapted to (radiation, fire, ice, or hardened spines on a carapace, for example). This may have been a natural or artificial process. Work this out with your GM. The Genesplicers, the Coalition, and the Transgalactic Empire are all good options for this.
Bestowed Powers: Granted by a pact with a supernatural creature, or perhaps an enchanted weapon or item, your powers are magical in nature and often must include the same limitations as Arcane Background (Magic) users, including power activators.
Experiment: Much like the genetic mutation origin, changes to your genome, introduced by a super scientist in a lab somewhere. This might have included limited genetic modifications, limited cybernetics/bionics, MOM implants, or even a limited juicer like process. Whatever the case, trappings (and hindrances) should reflect their technological origin, like Arcane Background (Weird Science) users would. Naruni Enterprises, Mindwerks (in Poland), and the Coalition are good suggestions for Origins like this. The Splugorth use Bio-Wizadry to do similar things, but it would pull from the hindrances of the Bio-Borg Iconic Framework.

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[b]Origin and Trappings[/b]: Characters may choose one of the following origins, or create another with their GM. You may not choose an option that is based on an Arcane Background restricted by your race (or virtual race if you are a Superhuman Powerhouse), unless your GM says otherwise. 
[u]Psionic Mutant[/u]: Your psionics have mutated your body in ways that go beyond the normal psionic mutations common to the populace. You may use psionic trappings, including those normally limited to Mind Melters. You do not start with Arcane Background (Psionics) unless your race (and GM) allows it. This may have been a natural or artificial process.
[u]Genetic Mutation[/u]: Your powers come from a genetic mutation, much like users of Arcane Background (Gifted). Your trappings must stick to things that can be naturally emitted by living creatures, or be natural forces (besides magic and psionics) that could reasonably be adapted to (radiation, fire, ice, or hardened spines on a carapace, for example).  This may have been a natural or artificial process. Work this out with your GM. The Genesplicers, the Coalition, and the Transgalactic Empire are all good options for this. 
[u]Bestowed Powers[/u]: Granted by a pact with a supernatural creature, or perhaps an enchanted weapon or item, your powers are magical in nature and often must include the same limitations as Arcane Background (Magic) users, including power activators. 
[u]Experiment[/u]: Much like the genetic mutation origin, changes to your genome, introduced by a super scientist in a lab somewhere. This might have included limited genetic modifications, limited cybernetics/bionics, MOM implants, or even a limited juicer like process. Whatever the case, trappings (and hindrances) should reflect their technological origin, like Arcane Background (Weird Science) users would. Naruni Enterprises, Mindwerks (in Poland), and the Coalition are good suggestions for Origins like this. The Splugorth use Bio-Wizadry to do similar things, but it would pull from the hindrances of the Bio-Borg Iconic Framework. 
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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High Command wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:22 pm I have no issue with Mechanically Human on Superhuman Powerhouse (a better name IMO than Supernaturals and Super Soldiers, which is confusing with the MARS option), but I disagree with it on the MARS option, or at the least it should include options if you want to replicate a True Atlantean who has been Alchemically modified to be a super soldier for their Clan, or a Sea Titan embracing their inner mutations, etc.

A GM can just say no to a race if they see it being a problem with the MARS option. I'd rather see a GM say "no one using the Super Soldier MARS Framework can use the following Races: List of races" than to blanket ban them in the IF.
I really think there are iconic frameworks such as elemental fuzionist, nega-spychic, bio-borg with previous examples already of restricted or no race allowed. If you want to include being a specific race as part of the concept there is room for that in using the hindrances and selections.

Even the three frameworks I think these balance most closely to: Cyborg, Dragon Hatchling and Intelligent Construct. All disallow additional races to be tacked on to their powerful builds. If you want to represent a Elven cyborg then you use your bonus edge or hindrance points for that. But you do not stack the elven racial package on top of the cyborg package.

GMs can allow or disallow whatever, but closing a door is always much harder than opening one. So I personally would rather see the races get restricted. I would really prefer to see feedback from more people on this. I do not even know how long it will be useful because once Savaging Your favorite rifts comes out I am sure there should be examples for using SPC in it.

High Command wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:22 pm As for Restricted Trappings; give them a few origin options:

Origin and Trappings: Characters may choose one of the following origins, or create another with their GM. You may not choose an option that is based on an Arcane Background restricted by your race (or virtual race if you are a Superhuman Powerhouse), unless your GM says otherwise.
Psionic Mutant: Your psionics have mutated your body in ways that go beyond the normal psionic mutations common to the populace. You may use psionic trappings, including those normally limited to Mind Melters. You do not start with Arcane Background (Psionics) unless your race (and GM) allows it. This may have been a natural or artificial process.
Genetic Mutation: Your powers come from a genetic mutation, much like users of Arcane Background (Gifted). Your trappings must stick to things that can be naturally emitted by living creatures, or be natural forces (besides magic and psionics) that could reasonably be adapted to (radiation, fire, ice, or hardened spines on a carapace, for example). This may have been a natural or artificial process. Work this out with your GM. The Genesplicers, the Coalition, and the Transgalactic Empire are all good options for this.
Bestowed Powers: Granted by a pact with a supernatural creature, or perhaps an enchanted weapon or item, your powers are magical in nature and often must include the same limitations as Arcane Background (Magic) users, including power activators.
Experiment: Much like the genetic mutation origin, changes to your genome, introduced by a super scientist in a lab somewhere. This might have included limited genetic modifications, limited cybernetics/bionics, MOM implants, or even a limited juicer like process. Whatever the case, trappings (and hindrances) should reflect their technological origin, like Arcane Background (Weird Science) users would. Naruni Enterprises, Mindwerks (in Poland), and the Coalition are good suggestions for Origins like this. The Splugorth use Bio-Wizadry to do similar things, but it would pull from the hindrances of the Bio-Borg Iconic Framework.

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[b]Origin and Trappings[/b]: Characters may choose one of the following origins, or create another with their GM. You may not choose an option that is based on an Arcane Background restricted by your race (or virtual race if you are a Superhuman Powerhouse), unless your GM says otherwise. 
[u]Psionic Mutant[/u]: Your psionics have mutated your body in ways that go beyond the normal psionic mutations common to the populace. You may use psionic trappings, including those normally limited to Mind Melters. You do not start with Arcane Background (Psionics) unless your race (and GM) allows it. This may have been a natural or artificial process.
[u]Genetic Mutation[/u]: Your powers come from a genetic mutation, much like users of Arcane Background (Gifted). Your trappings must stick to things that can be naturally emitted by living creatures, or be natural forces (besides magic and psionics) that could reasonably be adapted to (radiation, fire, ice, or hardened spines on a carapace, for example).  This may have been a natural or artificial process. Work this out with your GM. The Genesplicers, the Coalition, and the Transgalactic Empire are all good options for this. 
[u]Bestowed Powers[/u]: Granted by a pact with a supernatural creature, or perhaps an enchanted weapon or item, your powers are magical in nature and often must include the same limitations as Arcane Background (Magic) users, including power activators. 
[u]Experiment[/u]: Much like the genetic mutation origin, changes to your genome, introduced by a super scientist in a lab somewhere. This might have included limited genetic modifications, limited cybernetics/bionics, MOM implants, or even a limited juicer like process. Whatever the case, trappings (and hindrances) should reflect their technological origin, like Arcane Background (Weird Science) users would. Naruni Enterprises, Mindwerks (in Poland), and the Coalition are good suggestions for Origins like this. The Splugorth use Bio-Wizadry to do similar things, but it would pull from the hindrances of the Bio-Borg Iconic Framework. 
I am 100% opposed to an origin list, this is a "hill to die on" situation for me. I get the point of having one, but the whole idea for an SPC option is for opening the door on things not yet converted. Let's say I want to play a Gargoyle Mage, where does that fit in the list there? No the answer is not to add a new item on the list. But to take the open path of accepting that a defined list is the opposite approach from what is being taken here.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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First, the three you listed are full IFs, not MARS Packages. The Super Soldier is a MARS Package. Show an example of a MARS Package limiting race. I was all for the full thing using Mechanically Human, because there is a lot of precedent for a full IF having enough built in extras to make up for a race. MARS is not that.

As for the origins, It literally has in there "or create another with their GM" for that very reason. The idea is to give options not limit them. Also a Gargoyle Mage is actually a genetic mutation - their powers would fully fall into Gifted. They do not use magic spells like a ley line walker. They channel magic like a warlock, much like the Elemental Fusionist. But if you wanted one that did use magic, you just modify the bestowed to fit. They are aids, not crutches.

But I also listed it as an option you could use. Use as you will or won't, but don't misrepresent it or look at it like some straightjacket.
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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I missed the part where you intended the trappings to be limits for the Mars. That actually can make sense and I wouldn't see a problem with it. I thought you were suggesting those 4 trappings for all SPC characters.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: New SPC 3 Considerations

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Ndreare wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:58 pm I missed the part where you intended the trappings to be limits for the Mars. That actually can make sense and I wouldn't see a problem with it. I thought you were suggesting those 4 trappings for all SPC characters.
I guess the inherent limits on races would really only apply to MARS, that's true, but they are meant as a suggestion on how you could trap the powers, not how you have to.

You could add them as part of a Survive and Thrive afterword much like there are suggestions for all IFs. That way they are very clearly suggestions and not restrictions.
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