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It seems SWADE Templates have been dropped down in upper power limits more than anything. The hindrance lists will need adjusted, but otherwise I am not sure how much will need changed. This is still balanced with the new range of 30-40, and being limited to mechanical humans works.
The main issue is a player can really break the system by min-maxing, but that is always possible.

This will affect a few players in my games, so I am hoping to ball park this in sooner rather than later.

What are the opinions of others on this?

I would like to go SWADE with Phase World once Playtest 4 drops. Which I think will be considered a release candidate and close enough to rebuild characters with.


Currently all I think needs changed is knocking them down to 2 heroes Journey rolls.

RFT wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:35 pm Super Powered Heroes of Rifts Earth and Beyond!
Whether exposure to cosmic rays that grant amazing abilities or access to ultra powerful alien technology these heroes have extraordinary abilities that make them larger than life. In the inter-dimensional melting pot of Rifts Earth beings with extraordinary power arrive daily through random Rifts while others are born in our midst imbued with powers through mutation, scientific manipulation, or genetic experimentation. Regardless of the source of their powers these heroes can’t avoid center stage for long. After all, with great power comes...well you know the rest.

HERO’S JOURNEY (FIVE ROLLS)
Savage Rifts Superheroes gain three rolls on any of Education, Experience & Wisdom, Training, or Underworld & Black Ops. Plus, two rolls on any tables, except those dealing with Cybernetics, Magic and Psionics.

HEROES WITHOUT EQUAL
One of only two ways of bringing the pure fury and power of Superheroes into your Savage Rifts game, the Savage Rifts Superhero is a powerhouse on par with any character in the Tomorrow Legion.

WITH POWER, LIMITS
Due to the incredible power, Savage Rifts Superheroes limitations based on them by karma, happenstance, and the circumstances of their empowerment. These characters will choose from the options in Complications to define precisely what it is about them that complicates their lives.

SUPERHERO ABILITIES AND BONUSES
  • Awesome Power: Gain the Arcane Background (Super Powers - SPC). The character is a Heavy Hitter Rising Star, and starts with 40 Power Points with a power limit of 30 points in any single power, after any modifiers.
  • Rising Stars: Super Heroes may take the Power Points Edge (no more than once per Rank as usual) to add 5 additional points to their existing abilities, or purchase new ones (there is no New Power Edge) These points may be saved, but must be recorded clearly on the advancement record.

SUPERHERO COMPLICATIONS
  • Achilles Heel: Even the most powerful heroes have weaknesses, quirks, and foibles. The character however does not receive any points for these additional Hindrances or Negative Racial Traits.
    The player must chose 6 points of Hindrances or Negative Racial Traits as follows
    1-point:
    • All Thumbs
    • Anemic
    • Bad Eyes--Minor (Requires Glasses)
    • Hard of Hearing--Minor
    • Obese
    • Pacifist--Minor
    • Phobia--Minor
    • Poverty
    • Environmental Weakness
    • Frail -1
    • Non-Standard Physiology
    • Poor Parry -1
    • Small Racial -1
    • Slow -2"
    • Allergy--Minor
    • Weakness--Minor
    • Others as approved by the GM
    2-point:
    • Arrogant
    • Bad Eyes--Major (Cannot be corrected)
    • Bad Luck
    • Blind
    • Clueless
    • Elderly
    • Habit--Major
    • Hard of Hearing--Major
    • Lame
    • One Arm
    • One Eye
    • One Leg
    • Pacifist--Major
    • Phobia--Major
    • Small
    • Yellow
    • Young
    • Attribute Penalty -1
    • Dependency
    • Frail -2
    • Poor Parry -2
    • Small Racial -2
    • Slow -4"
    • Monologuer
    • Mania--Major
    • Alien Form
    • Allergy--Major
    • Power Negation
    • Terminally Ill
    • Weakness--Major
    • Others as approved by the GM
    3-point:
    • Attribute Penalty -2
    • Poor Parry -3
    • Others as approved by the GM -3
  • Dimensional Restrictions: Supers can be any race story-wise, but they must be Human for purposes of character creation mechanics. Use super powers and hindrances to represent a specific race.
  • Enemies Everywhere!: The Coalition States and Dunscon's Federation of Magic see these beings as dangerous aberrations at best and off-world scum at worst. Regardless, no matter how human looking or how magical their abilities, these beings with great and mysterious powers are dangerous and to be destroyed or studied - in a lab. This counts as the Wanted (Minor) hindrance with each organization.
  • Restricted Paths: Supers cannot take any other Arcane Background. As mentioned in the edge's description, cybernetics are simply not a good option for a Super Powered character, as they interfere too much with his powers. If circumstances force a bionic addition, each point of Strain imposes a −1 penalty to any activation trait test or to the use of a skill with a power (such as shooting with a ranged attack). Cyber-Psychic Alignment can overcome this limitation to a degree.
    Special Hindrances Available to Super Powered Heroes: the following are additional Hindrances available for selection that have special application to Super Powered Heroes.
    • Allergy (Major/Minor) Your character suffers an aversion to a common condition or substance, such as water, fire, cold, sunlight, etc. Exposure to that substance (generally within six feet of it) inflicts a –2 penalty to all your character’s Trait rolls as a Minor Hindrance. As a Major Hindrance, your hero suffers a –4 penalty to all Trait rolls and his Pace is halved. This continues while exposed and for 2d6 rounds after the substance is removed or shielded somehow.
    • Dependency (Major): The creature must consume or have contact with some sort of relatively common substance. Creatures from water-based worlds, for example, might need to immerse themselves in water one hour out of every 24; plant people might need an hour of sunlight a day. If they don’t have the required contact, they become automatically Fatigued each day until they’re Incapacitated. A day after that, they perish. Each hour spent recovering with the appropriate substance restores a level of Fatigue.
    • Weakness (Major/Minor): Your character is more susceptible to a specific Power Trapping (see below), such as ice and cold, fire and heat, radiation, magic, darkness, light, air, sound, and so on. He suffers +4 damage when hit by an attack of that type, or –4 to resist other types of effects. As a Major Hindrance, the hero or villain is incredibly vulnerable to the Power Type and should avoid it at all costs. He still resists at –4 but damage is doubled.
      Energy: Cold, Darkness, Electricity, Fire/Heat, Kinetic, Light, Magnetism, Mental, Radiation, Sound, Wind.
      Matter: Air, Biological (Animal/Human tissue), Earth/Stone, Force or Solid Light, Metal, Plant, Water.
ICONIC FRAMEWORK STARTING GEAR
  • Begin with the starting gear from any Iconic Framework except M.A.R.S.
Edit - The MARS framework option is here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4160&p=56480#p56480
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: SWADE - Super Powered Heroes

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Just delete the characters. SPC is not swade. If you do this I would recommend just have everyone build their characters using the SPC rules and play in a phase world setting. Mixing rules sets and powers did not work.
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Pender Lumkiss wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:32 am Just delete the characters.
I will be honest. This is one approach I did not consider.

I mean where possible it would be nice to do it SWADE SR style, but a couple concepts do not work that so well.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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I would just have everyone use the supers frame work
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Pender Lumkiss wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am I would just have everyone use the supers frame work
Which one?

The one Roberson suggested, or another one?
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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The one you are posting about. But with 2 HJ rolls if you want.
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Or just use the spc book make the characters using it. Then use swade rules for skills, edges, and other setting rules. A phase world game does not need to use the SR rules. Combining the two sets of rules brings up issues of is the framework balanced, how many points, how do spc powers work with swade powers. Just avoid it all and just use the SPC.

If you like HJ rolls, use them too like you were thinking 2-5 sounds good.
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I think the Supers framework above is fine, with two changes and one BIG caveat.
  • Reduce the number of HJ rolls to 2
  • Give them the standard Starting Gear package, rather than the current "choose one"
  • Powers all need to be reviewed by the GM for compatibility with SWADE, and modified when necessary to emulate SWADE versions.
With the latter, I'm primarily thinking of things like Extra Action that work very differently in SWADE, but there are others that require care. So really, just a note to drive home the fact that problematic powers/combos will be reviewed, rejected and altered as needed.
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Tribe of One wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:11 am
  • Reduce the number of HJ rolls to 2
  • Give them the standard Starting Gear package, rather than the current "choose one"
  • Powers all need to be reviewed by the GM for compatibility with SWADE, and modified when necessary to emulate SWADE versions.
I did not really think enough about it but you are correct. Especially on matching similar mechanics that have been changed.
  • 2D6 EFFECT
    2 Catastrophe: Something goes terribly wrong. The GM must decide what, but some ideas are a new and permanent Minor Hindrance, the inability to use powers for several days, or an explosion of some sort. The backlash should be thematic if possible. If the hero tampers with dark forces for his abilities, for example, he might become corrupted or summon something sinister into the world. If he’s a weird scientist the device might explode for 3d6 damage in a Medium Blast Template, or he might develop a Quirk, Phobia, or other “madness.”

    3 Backfire: The power succeeds as with a raise but affects a different target with the worst possible results. A bolt hits a random friend, boost Trait increases an enemy’s skill or attribute, etc. If there’s no likely target, he’s Stunned instead. If the power has a Duration other than Instant, it lasts its full term and can only be negated by dispel (the caster can’t voluntarily end it herself).

    4–5 Short Circuit: The power fails but the Power Points allocated to it are spent, along with an additional 1d6 Power Points.

    6–8 Stunned: The caster is Stunned (see page 106). She subtracts 2 from arcane skill rolls for the rest of the encounter (the penalty remains –2 even if she gets this result again).

    9–10 Overload: The character’s synapses crackle and overload with power. He takes 2d6 damage plus the cost of the power in Power Points, including any Power Modifiers the player declared.

    11 Fatigue: The character suffers Fatigue.

    12 Overcharge: The power draws ambient energy from the air, automatically succeeding against the target with a raise and costing the caster no Power Points!

,
1 = 2 of Clubs
2 = 2 of Diamonds
3 = 2 of Hearts
4 = 2 of Spades
5 = 3 of Clubs
6 = 3 of Diamonds
7 = 3 of Hearts
8 = 3 of Spades
9 = 4 of Clubs
10 = 4 of Diamonds
11 = 4 of Hearts
12 = 4 of Spades
13 = 5 of Clubs
14 = 5 of Diamonds
15 = 5 of Hearts
16 = 5 of Spades
- reroll line for quickness & activation for Calculating -
17 = 6 of Clubs
18 = 6 of Diamonds
19 = 6 of Hearts
20 = 6 of Spades
21 = 7 of Clubs
22 = 7 of Diamonds
23 = 7 of Hearts
24 = 7 of Spades
25 = 8 of Clubs
26 = 8 of Diamonds
27 = 8 of Hearts
28 = 8 of Spades
- reroll line for Hyperion Juicer -
29 = 9 of Clubs
30 = 9 of Diamonds
31 = 9 of Hearts
32 = 9 of Spades
33 = 10 of Clubs
34 = 10 of Diamonds
35 = 10 of Hearts
36 = 10 of Spades
37 = J of Clubs
38 = J of Diamonds
39 = J of Hearts
40 = J of Spades
41 = Q of Clubs
42 = Q of Diamonds
43 = Q of Hearts
44 = Q of Spades
45 = K of Clubs
46 = K of Diamonds
47 = K of Hearts
48 = K of Spades
49 = A of Clubs
50 = A of Diamonds
51 = A of Hearts
52 = A of Spades
53 = Jokers = They are equal
54 = Jokers = They are equal
- If no reroll is being used then there are 2 extra jokers -
55 = Jokers = They are equal
56 = Jokers = They are equal
and of course update your signatures!
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Re: SWADE - Super Powered Heroes

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Tribe of One wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:11 am I think the Supers framework above is fine, with two changes and one BIG caveat.
  • Reduce the number of HJ rolls to 2
  • Give them the standard Starting Gear package, rather than the current "choose one"
  • Powers all need to be reviewed by the GM for compatibility with SWADE, and modified when necessary to emulate SWADE versions.
With the latter, I'm primarily thinking of things like Extra Action that work very differently in SWADE, but there are others that require care. So really, just a note to drive home the fact that problematic powers/combos will be reviewed, rejected and altered as needed.
I think this covers it well. That said I'm a bit of a homer on this since I'm the player using it. :)
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